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March 09, 2008

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Carter M.

That's interesting stuff, thanks for sharing. I always wondered whether the traditional-style of Montgomery Campus kept drive-bys from stopping in, because it doesn't look from the outside like the kind of church we are on the inside. I've even thought about adding a "contemporary design" to the front of it. But maybe it does attract people after all.

I'd be curious what people mean by "open"--nice word, but what does that translate to in architecture? Any theories?

Tony Whittaker

Interesting. But I'd like to know more research on how many unchurched people ever actually attend any type or design of church, totally cold. Ie. on their own initiative, without a friend inviting them. And then, how many have started to make contact with a church, initially through their website, and then progressed on to face-to-face contact. Of course, so few websites are actually designed to be user-friendly to unchurched outsiders - which is what our church design tool (InternetEvangelismDay.com/design
and golf parable:
InternetEvangelismDay.com/golf
try to communicate.

Blessings

Tony

Christine

Hi Dave,
Just after ccc was built, I brought an unchurched neighbor to a service. After visiting the box, she enjoyed the service but wanted to know WHY it looked like a box instead of church. I went into a dissertation about the best use of space. She joined a small group I led at the time but started attending a denominational church of her childhood. The shape of the building made her think it wasn't a "real" church.

I had a lengthy coaching conversation last night with a friend. Part of this process is to describe an object of beauty. My object is an angled building with illuminating lights and a fountain inside with plants all around. This is actually a backyard retreat, now torn down. I had that I called my "sanctuary." My coach gave me the assignment to build a bigger and better one. Hmmm...

Christine

Christine C.

P.S.
What an exciting idea! With real estate prices as they are - and with so many church buildings available, near and far, in town centers and in places of natural beauty - why delay?

The church and the steeple poem, remember that? Here's the church, here's the steeple, open it up and see all the people...

Let the people come to a sanctuary of hope, refreshment, and connection - with God and each other.

Christne

Jesse Phillips

Dave - I LOVE your blog!

Which church do you like the look of? I REALLY don't think, just b/c they like the look, that they would be more likely to walk into that church.

There's a huge difference between liking the look and attending.

I like all the facades of the restaurants and bars downtown, but I'll rarely go inside - I don't have the money and I don't like bars.

I think we need to focus more on changing the negative perceptions of Christianity, than trying to get a better looking building - architecture is not keeping people from Christ (as much), but our unChristian actions are (more so).

Dave Ferguson

Jesse, you are absolutely correct. The biggest issue is not facilities. It may not even be in the top 10! We have nine sites and seven of them meet in rented facilities; so I don't think facilities are the biggest barrier. However, I do find it interesting that this is their bias based on facilities alone. I also agree with Joe Myer that if you put people in those pictures they would pic the picture with people.

Adam Lehman

Dave,

I attend a church (http://www.exit59church.com/) that started as a new body meeting in an old church building (lutheran). The old congregation was depleting and the church dispersed. However, a new congregation bought the building. Did a few minor renovations on the inside.
The people are the difference. A church's DNA determines its life.

Scott

Interesting survey, but I think Jesse is right.

Just getting someone inside the building isn't the goal. It's to keep them coming back - and then getting them outside the walls of the building, discipling others.

jeff pessina

When a person looks at a picture and says, "I would be most likely to walk into THAT one," it could be based on feelings that keep him away from Church in the first place... fear of human interaction or vulnerability. There's a lot of psychology in the "why" that picture looks more appealing -- or is it stronger? Safer? Less threatening? Whatever the case, I wonder if keeping up with the changing trends in social psychology as it relates to perception of buildings is even possible... especially in today's world where culture itself is changing at a pace never seen before in history. By the time we figure it out, perceptions may already be changing again. Figures are clear that most people who get connected to any Church and become Christ followers do so through the relationship of a friend or a relative. My view is that the venue fades in significance in direct proportion to the life of Christ emanating from the real Church... it's people.

Dave Ferguson

Just for the record: "I always agree with Jeff Pessina!" Well said, Jeff.

Dave Lewis

Dave,

We inherited an old, 10,000 sq.ft., debt free, Baptist church building. For us it was a no-brainer. Planting a church in a depressed inner-city neighborhood is challenging enough, let alone trying to find adequate space that is affordable and not falling apart. I don't think we need to completely abandon these large, older church buildings.They are already tax exempt properties, so there's no need to hire an attorney and go through legal proceedings to get a commercial property off the tax rolls when there are so many empty church buildings for sale or otherwise being under-utilized. This may not be the best choice for some new church plants, but for planters who are starting new congregations in inner-city areas where adequate meeting space is either scarce or too expensive, using these old sacred spaces may just be the right fit.

Desiree Guzman

Hey Dave,

This is really interesting. It makes me think even more about what our building in East Aurora should look like -- especially in a community with such a strong Catholic heritage. It seems like we need something solid, historical and tradition to connect with the community. Hmmm. I wonder where we could find a building like that? : )

Lee Hoy

I would seriously consider if "preferring the look" and choosing to go there for church are the same question? I suspect that it is like comparing which "art" is preferred versus where people are actually experiencing community. Starbucks where a great deal of community occurs, has virtually nothing in common with historical chapels.

Having used surveys a ton as a former Transportation Planner I can tell you the way a question is asked is VERY important.

Lee

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